Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong Interview
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Grandmaster Wong demonstrating Choy Li Fut's intricate Dip Jeung.
Special thanks to contributing editor, Sifu Neil McRitchie.
Fighting Stars: We are honored to have with us tonight Grandmaster Doc-Fai
Wong. Grandmaster Wong hails from a very rich tradition of legendary Chinese
Kung Fu masters. Grandmaster Wong is a fifth generation grandmaster of the
Choy Li Fut system of Kung Fu, descended from the founder Chan Heung. He is
also the Grandmaster of the Yang style Tai Chi Chuan (Tai Ji Quan) by way of
his own teacher Hu Yuen-Chou, who in turn learned from legendary Grandmaster
Yang Cheng-Fu.
Grandmaster Wong has dedicated his life to the martial arts and as a result
he has become famous worldwide for his martial arts talents and attributes.
He has written numerous Articles for martial arts magazines and publications
including Black Belt and Inside Kung Fu. He has performed countless martial
arts demonstrations, including numerous radio and television appearances.
Grandmaster Wong's students travel from every corner of the globe to seek
him out for his knowledge and in depth understanding of Kung Fu. Thank you
for being with us tonight and welcome.
Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong: Thank you.
Fighting Stars: Grandmaster Wong this is perhaps a broad question, however,
can you tell us what are the necessary steps for proper advancement in the
martial arts? In other words what are the key ingredients to building a
solid foundation in Kung Fu?
Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong: Achievement in the martial arts is basically
this?onsistently train everyday and work very hard.
Fighting Stars: Obviously you have instilled this among your students
because I have seen them training very hard. Do you believe that the student
should learn the hard physical training combined with internal development
or, do you recommend beginning with either one or the other method first?
Doc-Fai Wong: The student must learn the external movement first. The
beginner has to have some kind of physical work out because it is easier to
understand than the internal workout. The students like to see results and
by doing the physical workout they can see results right away. Eventually,
they can gradually progress into internal development. However, you have to
have both internal and external to have a complete system.
Fighting Stars: Now over the course of your training you have learned many
varieties of physical and spiritual training techniques from masters of the
highest regard in the martial arts world. Which of your teachers had the
greatest influence on you and what particular skill or character development
did you achieve at that time in your training?
Doc-Fai Wong: Actually I would say that was my second teacher Hu Yuen Chou.
He is the one that gave me my life in the martial arts. I learned a great
deal from two other masters also, but Hu Yuen Chou is the one that actually
made me understand what the internal is and what Qi is and what the power is
in the martial arts. Without the internal martial arts, without the strength
and Jing development all the forms and fighting techniques would be useless.
Hu Yuen Chou didn’t actually teach me many of the Choy Li Fut forms. Don’t
get me wrong. He taught me plenty of forms but, what he really taught me was
the essence of the system. I am more thankful to him than anyone else for
really explaining to me how the system works. He taught me how to develop
Jing and how to incorporate that power into the fighting movements. He
taught me body mechanics and how to transform that into an effective
fighting system. He taught me the scientific understanding as well as the
artistic side of the fighting movements. His whole life was devoted to
martial arts. He had a very deep knowledge of the martial arts and he knew
how to bring that into his training and his teaching.
Fighting Stars: What started you on the road to the martial arts?
Doc-Fai Wong: When I was a little kid say about four or five years old. When
I was in China I had been watching Chinese operas with my mom. By watching
the Chinese opera I was able to see a lot of fighting scenes and a lot of
acrobatics and a variety of traditional Chinese weapons. Particularly
watching the Monkey King I became fascinated by all the fighting movements.
When I came to San Francisco in 1960 at that time there were not many
Chinese living outside the confines of Chinatown. There was some
discrimination between the non-Chinese and the Chinese when I was growing
up. There were obvious cultural differences and the non-Chinese kids liked
to pick fights or make fun of the Chinese kids. As a small boy being faced
with these challenges I had to think?hat is the best fighting? And I
realized that it was Chinese Kung Fu from being exposed to all the things
that I saw in Chinatown. But, I was so young at the time that I could not
afford martial arts and my parents wouldn’t pay for me to study. So I had to
seek out anyone that knew martial arts and ask them to teach me. Eventually,
I had to get a part time job so that I could make some money and join a
school.
A young Doc-Fai Wong affectionately called the "Five Animal Kid", circa
1965.
Fighting Stars: Did your parents encourage you in the martial arts.
Doc-Fai Wong: No, in fact it was quite the opposite.
My grandfather on my mother side was an herbalist and martial artist. My
mother learned some herbal medicine from him, but she had no interest in the
martial arts. You have to understand at this time most of the parents in
Chinatown did not look at Kung Fu and Kung Fu schools as very respectable.
My parents were afraid that the Kung Fu schools might be like the triads or
Chinese Mafia and they did not want me to join such a school for that
reason. Their thought for me was that I should get a good education and that
I should stay away from Kung Fu because fighting was for gangsters and
hoodlums. That’s why many parents didn’t allow their children to learn at
the martial arts schools. And I really couldn’t blame them because at one
time it was really like that.
Fighting Stars: What was your training like when you were a child? Can you
give an example of your earlier training in the martial arts?
Doc-Fai Wong: Right after school I would go directly to the kung Fu studio.
At that time the studio was only a block away from where I lived.
Fighting Stars: And who was your instructor at that time?
Doc-Fai Wong: That was great grandmaster Lau Bun. In the traditional Chinese
school at that time there was no formal class training. So you would go
there and they would show you a couple of moves and you would have to work
on those moves all day. You could stay as long as you liked or you could
leave and go home if you wanted to. So, you had to be really self-motivated
to get through this type of training program.
Fighting Stars: Can you tell us what types of things you did in your
training as you progressed?
Doc-Fai Wong: So when we followed Master Lau Bun’s teaching. We were allowed
to work on our own on different forms or we could train with our buddies. We
started first with horse stance training. It was very hard a lot of students
did this for maybe three months and then get tired and then drop out. After
you trained the horse stance training long enough then they would teach you
the first form. Once you learned the first form then you would learn a
couple of fighting drills and you would work on them over and over again.
Fighting Stars: Now did you carry on that tradition of teaching or did you
modify this for your own students.
Doc-Fai Wong: Actually, the way that we teach now is much better than in the
old days. I have tried to improve upon tradition. For example, if you go to
school you can learn Math or English or Science. But, in school you don’t
have to learn the whole English language before you can do Math and with the
martial arts it’s the same way. Nowadays we teach the stance work like in
the old days, but at the same time we teach the basic forms and self defense
techniques and other movements for the beginner so that they really feel
like they are learning something instead of just standing around being
bored.
Fighting Stars: So, in teaching in this way do you believe that you
can elevate your art to a higher level and attract more students at the same
time?
Doc Fai Wong: Attracting students is not the main emphasis. What I
want to do is make it fun for the student so that they can enjoy the martial
arts training.
Fighting Stars: You have many students and they all look up to you as
someone to emulate. Who were some of your martial arts heroes when you were
growing up?
Doc Fai Wong: There were many masters in Chinese history that we
learned about. Some of these were fighters for the revolution. They were
many past masters that I highly respect like Yang Cheng Fu.
Fighting Stars: You descend from some of those great masters in your
own lineage. How have you passed on their tradition?
Doc Fai Wong: Yes, my master Hu Yuen Chou, who learned from
Grandmaster Yang Cheng Fu, told me not to hold back like some of the older
masters did. He said go ahead and teach the students, regardless of race or
cultural background. As long as they are good human beings with a good heart
they must be taught the whole art.